I've Seen Enough; RIP Get Up Kids
In college I covered the men's soccer team for 4 years. We had one of the best men's soccer programs in the country; I was used to covering a winner.
But naturally, every now and then the team would stumble. Our winning percentage in those years must have been over .800, but when we lost I wouldn't sugarcoat it in the newspaper or in the articles I wrote for our Sports Information service. If the team played like shit, I let the audience know.
That said, I had a policy of reserving my harsher critiques for losses that came at home, losses I had actually seen. You can learn a lot from reading box scores and gathering quotes from the head coach, but you just can't muster the authority to really rip the team when it suffered a loss you didn't see first-hand.
I mention this all because I haven't seen a single start of Jose Lima's. I DVR'ed the first one, a Sunday game against the Braves, but didn't watch because the Mets got blown out and I didn't want to spoil a good weekend.
The second was a Friday night game against the Brewers which I didn't DVR because I wasn't going to be able to watch it on account of my brother's graduation from law school.
And then the third was yesterday, which I experienced through Gamecast but did not see a moment of.
So I haven't seen Lima Time pitch. But I do know this: something is seriously, seriously wrong when you can allow 4 earned runs in 4.2 innings and see your ERA go down.
Something is seriously, seriously wrong when your ERA goes down and it's still at 8.79.
Something is seriously, seriously wrong when a starter fails to go more than 5 innings in any start.
Something is seriously, seriously wrong when a pitcher has 1.81 WHIP and a .305 batting average against.
So I'm breaking with the deal I struck between myself and the team I covered in college: Jose Lima should not, given the current circumstances, get another start with the Mets. I haven't seen him pitch, but I've seen the box scores and I've seen enough.
So send him back to Norfolk. If he goes on some sort of Drysdale streak of scoreless innings, we'll talk. Until then, he has no business being on a major league team with pennant aspirations, he's proven an automatic loss.
The worst news of the day yesterday wasn't that Lima Time lost again, however, it was that Brian Bannister made it through 5 pitches before being sidelined due to pain in his injured hammy.
So you can cross Bannister off the savior list, and now that means the best option is Aaron Heilman. The only other viable options to take over the starting job are Alay Soler and Mike Pelfrey, both of whom could use more seasoning as far as I can tell.
Readers of this site know that I don't consider Heilman a sure thing as a starter. The numbers he's put up in his career are simply not good.
People point to his 1-hitter against the Marlins as proof of his potential. I don't want to discredit his potential, but Glendon Rusch also threw a 1-hitter once upon a time.
Steve Trachsel won consecutive 1-0 ballgames against Pedro Martinez and Orlando Hernandez to become the first American League pitcher in 24 years to accomplish the feat.
I'm not saying none of that is important, nor am I saying that Heilman doesn't have a higher ceiling than either Trachsel or Rusch. Based on his stellar work out of the bullpen, he clearly does.
The point is that pitchers (and all ballplayers for that matter) are judged on a large body of work, not on one 6-for-6 game or one 1-hitter. So far, the large body of work Heilman has scripted as a starter is not impressive.
But he's certainly worth running out there every fifth day. As posters like Nails, Lister and others have said, at some point we owe it to ourselves to get a fix on what we have with Heilman. Where is his optimum potential, as a starter or as a reliever?
Maybe his success as a reliever will give him more confidence if he moves back into the rotation. Maybe he's simply a better pitcher now than he ever was before. No matter what, he couldn't be worse than Lima.
Between that irrefutable fact and the solid numbers he has put up out of the bullpen this year and in Winter Ball and Spring Training over the offseason (although I would caution against reading too much into those latter numbers), Heilman has earned the chance to start.
The good thing about Heilman, in marked contrast to Lima, is that he has use if things don't work out for him as a starter. If he fails, move him back to the bullpen and see what your options are on the trade market or with Soler or Pelfrey.
So is it a given that Lima Time is over? That Lima's reign of terror is over? Don't be so sure. As Matt Cerrone notes in his writeup of Willie's postgame comments (here: http://www.metsblog.com/blog/_archives/2006/5/18/1967815.html), Lima may still get another start.
Why? Don't ask me. Maybe Willie saw something out of Lima on the mound. Me? I just see the box scores, and right now, they're unacceptable.
RIP Get Up Kids
On a matter completely unrelated to baseball, I wanted to take a moment to write a brief requiem for The Get Up Kids, who I learned last night broke up about a year ago.
As should be clear from the fact that I'm only learning of their dissolution now, The Get Up Kids weren't one of my absolute favorite bands. They're just a band I liked a good deal, a band that put out albums that I enjoyed for a month or two and then forgot about until their next record came out.
But they hold a special place in the Glass's heart because they were the first band that I really got into at college. I can't remember who exactly it was that turned me on to them, but I liked what I heard from the get go.
Their earlier work was pretty emo'ed out, and truth be told I don't enjoy the older stuff as much as I used to. Their newer stuff, however, particularly their last release, Guilt Show, is just good, clean American rock music.
If that's not your thing, move on. The Get Up Kids have nothing to offer you. Their music is by no means gritty. But if you enjoy a good rock album give a listen to Guilt Show sometime.
Give a listen to songs like "Martyr Me", "The One You Want", "Sympathy", "In Your Sea", or "Wouldn't Believe It" if you want to sample the Get Up Kids at their best. Thirty seconds are free on iTunes, why not?
I'm saddened to learn that they're no more, but not devastated. Things change, you know? Music grips you and college is fun. But bands break up and college ends. One way or another, life goes on.
So Get Up Kids, here's to you; a fine job done, lo these past 10 years. I'll pour some out for you tonight.
- A.F.O.M.G.
But naturally, every now and then the team would stumble. Our winning percentage in those years must have been over .800, but when we lost I wouldn't sugarcoat it in the newspaper or in the articles I wrote for our Sports Information service. If the team played like shit, I let the audience know.
That said, I had a policy of reserving my harsher critiques for losses that came at home, losses I had actually seen. You can learn a lot from reading box scores and gathering quotes from the head coach, but you just can't muster the authority to really rip the team when it suffered a loss you didn't see first-hand.
I mention this all because I haven't seen a single start of Jose Lima's. I DVR'ed the first one, a Sunday game against the Braves, but didn't watch because the Mets got blown out and I didn't want to spoil a good weekend.
The second was a Friday night game against the Brewers which I didn't DVR because I wasn't going to be able to watch it on account of my brother's graduation from law school.And then the third was yesterday, which I experienced through Gamecast but did not see a moment of.
So I haven't seen Lima Time pitch. But I do know this: something is seriously, seriously wrong when you can allow 4 earned runs in 4.2 innings and see your ERA go down.
Something is seriously, seriously wrong when your ERA goes down and it's still at 8.79.
Something is seriously, seriously wrong when a starter fails to go more than 5 innings in any start.
Something is seriously, seriously wrong when a pitcher has 1.81 WHIP and a .305 batting average against.
So I'm breaking with the deal I struck between myself and the team I covered in college: Jose Lima should not, given the current circumstances, get another start with the Mets. I haven't seen him pitch, but I've seen the box scores and I've seen enough.
So send him back to Norfolk. If he goes on some sort of Drysdale streak of scoreless innings, we'll talk. Until then, he has no business being on a major league team with pennant aspirations, he's proven an automatic loss.
The worst news of the day yesterday wasn't that Lima Time lost again, however, it was that Brian Bannister made it through 5 pitches before being sidelined due to pain in his injured hammy.
So you can cross Bannister off the savior list, and now that means the best option is Aaron Heilman. The only other viable options to take over the starting job are Alay Soler and Mike Pelfrey, both of whom could use more seasoning as far as I can tell.Readers of this site know that I don't consider Heilman a sure thing as a starter. The numbers he's put up in his career are simply not good.
People point to his 1-hitter against the Marlins as proof of his potential. I don't want to discredit his potential, but Glendon Rusch also threw a 1-hitter once upon a time.
Steve Trachsel won consecutive 1-0 ballgames against Pedro Martinez and Orlando Hernandez to become the first American League pitcher in 24 years to accomplish the feat.
I'm not saying none of that is important, nor am I saying that Heilman doesn't have a higher ceiling than either Trachsel or Rusch. Based on his stellar work out of the bullpen, he clearly does.
The point is that pitchers (and all ballplayers for that matter) are judged on a large body of work, not on one 6-for-6 game or one 1-hitter. So far, the large body of work Heilman has scripted as a starter is not impressive.
Maybe his success as a reliever will give him more confidence if he moves back into the rotation. Maybe he's simply a better pitcher now than he ever was before. No matter what, he couldn't be worse than Lima.
Between that irrefutable fact and the solid numbers he has put up out of the bullpen this year and in Winter Ball and Spring Training over the offseason (although I would caution against reading too much into those latter numbers), Heilman has earned the chance to start.
The good thing about Heilman, in marked contrast to Lima, is that he has use if things don't work out for him as a starter. If he fails, move him back to the bullpen and see what your options are on the trade market or with Soler or Pelfrey.
So is it a given that Lima Time is over? That Lima's reign of terror is over? Don't be so sure. As Matt Cerrone notes in his writeup of Willie's postgame comments (here: http://www.metsblog.com/blog/_archives/2006/5/18/1967815.html), Lima may still get another start.
Why? Don't ask me. Maybe Willie saw something out of Lima on the mound. Me? I just see the box scores, and right now, they're unacceptable.
RIP Get Up Kids
On a matter completely unrelated to baseball, I wanted to take a moment to write a brief requiem for The Get Up Kids, who I learned last night broke up about a year ago.
As should be clear from the fact that I'm only learning of their dissolution now, The Get Up Kids weren't one of my absolute favorite bands. They're just a band I liked a good deal, a band that put out albums that I enjoyed for a month or two and then forgot about until their next record came out.
But they hold a special place in the Glass's heart because they were the first band that I really got into at college. I can't remember who exactly it was that turned me on to them, but I liked what I heard from the get go.
Their earlier work was pretty emo'ed out, and truth be told I don't enjoy the older stuff as much as I used to. Their newer stuff, however, particularly their last release, Guilt Show, is just good, clean American rock music.
If that's not your thing, move on. The Get Up Kids have nothing to offer you. Their music is by no means gritty. But if you enjoy a good rock album give a listen to Guilt Show sometime.Give a listen to songs like "Martyr Me", "The One You Want", "Sympathy", "In Your Sea", or "Wouldn't Believe It" if you want to sample the Get Up Kids at their best. Thirty seconds are free on iTunes, why not?
I'm saddened to learn that they're no more, but not devastated. Things change, you know? Music grips you and college is fun. But bands break up and college ends. One way or another, life goes on.
So Get Up Kids, here's to you; a fine job done, lo these past 10 years. I'll pour some out for you tonight.
- A.F.O.M.G.





15 Comments:
Okay, this is ridiculous. The Yankees are in Shea tonight. I demand some hate, and I demand it RIGHT NOW!
Ideal scenario seems to be:
1) Try to deal any/all of Diaz/Keppinger/Matsui/Bell/Money for a serviceable bullpen arm. We're talking somone between Bradford and Heilman in terms of reliability, probably closer to Bradford. I used to be a Royce Ring believer (God knows why) but looks like his hype:reality ratio is very similar to Heath's.
2) Give Heilman the ball every fifth day. Guarantee him starts going forward. Tell him you believe in him, and this is the shot he has earned/wanted. He can't get a start-to-start kind of situation, which is guaranteed to set him up for (long-term if not short) failure. Heilman is in the starting rotation. If Heilman is going to be a Met in the future, he has to have a serious shot at starting (not in spring training). Why not give him that shot now when we so desperately need a starter? If Pelfrey/Soler gets ready to come up, and Bannister is getting it done lights out, and Heilman isn't, and the bull pen is struggling, we think about moving Aaron back to the pen. That doesn't need to be discussed until it becomes a reality (aka July or August at earliest, probably never, Pelfrey seems further away than the hype suggested). If/when Bannister returns, he replaces Gonzo.
3) Stop being irrational Mets fans. There is no argument to be made for Heilman being better as a second-setup guy now than as a starter. That is insanity. I don't feel the rage that Happy Will seems to in his posts, but what's best for the team is best for the team. It's that simple. It's not an "I told you so" situation. The FO worries way too much about that shit. We got completely fleeced by the D-Rays, it's done. Likewise, Lima like Ishii last year was worth a shot, but it ain't working out, so let's let it go and move on. Pride kills.
Apologies, Cousin Dan. I should have noted earlier that a piece is on the way about the Mets-Yankees series. It should be up this afternoon some time.
Excellent points, Lister, especially the last one. I don't know that I would use the term "second-setup guy" so dismissively (nor do I know that I would characterize Heilman as a second-setup guy necessarily, it's more reminiscent of the Leiter-Hampton 1-1A situation), but I get your point just the same. The innings beind handed to Lima are killing us, something has to change. Heilman's simply the best option right now, and I don't see how management could fail to see that.
My rage has subsided and I'm sad it's come to this, but the Mets have once again put themselves in a no-win scenario. Heilman isn't going to come out of the pen and resembe Sandy Koufax, it will probably take him some time to round into form and at that point we'll have wasted another 3 starts. Plus, it's clear he'll be pitching on such a short rope that he's in a situation where failure is guaranteed. Honestly, at this point, I think the only way that Heilman helps the Mets is via trade.
Given the insane psychological situation due to the total unwillingness to use him as a starter and now the fact that he's going to round into form as people who have claimed he should be a reliever will be salivating at his starting pitching failures, I think the Mets should seriously explore trading him in a 2-1 for a servicible starter and reliever. I think it's the only way we can get value for him right now. Something like Heilman for Brad Halsey and Kiko Calero.
Word on the street in Minnesota is that you guys might be trying to get Kyle Loshe. He has potential, but has sucked balls for us this year....
Depressed Will, have you completely lost your mind?
Look, he's not going to resemble Sandy Koufax at first and his arm strength won't allow him to go deep into games the first few starts, but if he's as good as we all think he can be and he gives us 5 solid innings the first couple times out, then you'll know that you've got something to build on.
I agree the team has a clear preference for using him as a reliever, but the idea that they would never consider him for the starter's spot is simply untrue. Do you honestly believe the team traded away Jae Seo and Kris Benson because they expected Brian Bannister to be the fifth starter? They clearly made those moves to give Heilman a shot. When another player outperformed him in Spring Training (although only narrowly), it was decided that the greatest team benefit was for Heilman to go to the 'pen.
What is unclear is whether he's being considered now. If he's not, I think that's ridiculous just like you do. But I don't think he's being set up for failure, nor do I think there's any criminal conspiracy against him. If he gets a shot, don't assume he will fail; be happy. What happened to that part of your name anyway?
There's nothing worse than getting your hopes up only to get them dashed. Maybe that's why Sip is a pessimist and you're a realist. Unfortunately, I was all too happy this season as I was 100% convinced on opening day that the Mets were as good as any team in the NL--and probably the best--and once again Shea would be rocking in October with some playoff baseball.
Maybe I've overrated what's happened in the past two weeks, and maybe in the grand scheme of a long baseball season it doesn't matter, but we all know that in reality, it does.
If the Mets don’t win 2 out of 3 this weekend (and they won't because the Yankees always eek out cheap victories against them), they will play the Phillies with a 1 game lead (if we're lucky) and send Trachsel, Jose Lima and Jeremi Gonzalez to the mound--with the Braves coming on, they could be in 3rd place afterwards.
It's just a tragedy to me that a simple decision ruined the entire season and that decision is based on obstinacy rather than logic. It's not like the Mets took their chances and came up short. They overestimated the value of the second guy out of the pen because of the relatively fluky bullpen success in the beginning of the season and it has destroyed my hope. I'm more sad and depressed than bitter right now. I watch Mets games without any joy right now.
Losing is one thing, heck it's baseball, that happens and I can take it. But I have just been really depressed by the notion that a stubborn decision has derailed the season and jeopardized our chances of what was rightfully ours: the playoffs.
Gary Cohen was not talking up Soler yesterday during the broadcast, for what it's worth. His sense was that the Mets do not see him as a viable big leaguer in the near future or, basically, ever. :( x 100
to Happy Will: today is May 19th. you are being, dare i say it, red sox-esque (pre-world series). i was in new england for the yanks-sox series that fateful year and after the game where manny hit like 2 dingers in extras and jeter HEROICALLY flew into the stands and the yankees won a victory, all the talk was how the year was over. dennis eckersley was literally like, well, it was a good run until now (july). WE WILL BE FINE. if this is as rough as it gets all year, we are going to have one hell of a year. we lost 3 1 run games while not playing at a level we are close to and having serious (and seriously fixable) rotation issues. there is no room for despair right now, we just need some decisiveness and to weather a storm. we went 3-6 on a very tough road trip against extremely hot teams. that being said, we could have as easily gone 6-3 as what actually happened. the sky is not falling. it's not even close. the phillies bullpen is going to be in shambles come august. the braves are subject to a 6+ game losing streak anytime andruw gets a little cold. we are the best team in the east and you KNOW THAT. right now, there is some panic in the air. that's fine, but as human BEings we need to fight, not flee, or something, i don't know, this rant has dissolved into nonsense, but like, chin up, lets go, paul lo duca and mr delgado will buoy this team no matter how low it gets, we're ok.
You guys are right. I'm not going to mope anymore--things will work out. We have Pedro on our team. Viva los Metropolitanos de Nuevea York!
From now on, I'll only be happy. I promise.
What's the over-under on us getting this game in tonight, any theories?
We're basically at the "Spahn and Sain and pray for rain" stage, so I can't say I'd be disappointed if they call it.
Very, very fair.
they'll play... isolated t-storms after 4 pm (well nowish and sustained 30% chance of rain whatever that means until like 10 pm then its done)... too much money to be made on this retarded interleague to not play
As George Will says, why not be a pessimist? Most of the time you're right, and when you're wrong it's a pleasant surprise.
ps congrats boafomg on graduating.
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